Sarutobi Vs. Kakashi

[Karin]

Topic
Sarutobi(Pre-time skip) vs. Kakashi(Post-Time skip)

Field: Open field where Zabuza and Team Kakashi first fought at.

Karin: Kakashi
Mystik: Sarutobi

Sarutobi Sandaime Hokage of the hidden Leaf Village. His nickname was the professor for knowing and being able to use all the jutsu’s in the hidden leaf as stated by Oro on 120-14. He trained under
Shodaime and Nidaime Hokages the founders of Konoha. They instilled in Sarutobi the ideal of protecting Konoha to the fullest extent with his very life 123-14 which happens to be one of my favorite pages in the manga. After he became Hokage he ended up training the three gifted ninja who were later know as the three sannin. Since his ideal pupil ended up to be a freak who did experiments on people he choose Yondaime Hokage to carry on his legacy.


Yondaime Hokage died while sealing away the kyubbi so Sarutobi had to take the part of Hokage back. I suppose as of right now I could go on and on about him, but I will stop there. Sarutobi is a strong and powerful ninja. He who was respected and loved by all of Konoha. He also loved his village and the people in it. Im not doubting kakashi isn’t a talented ninja himself , but as for my thoughts go to me he has nothing on Sarutobi. So I will now go onto my first attack which will be Shuriken kage bushin no jutsu 117-17. Note when Sarutobi used this jutsu on oro he had to summon Worldly Ressurection also known as Edo Tensei to block this attack 117-18. While Sarutobi used this jutsu he was also able to stop Oro from summoning up the fourth hokage. Ok I think I will stop for now.

[Karin]

Hatake Kakashi
Name Meaning: Hatake=Dry field, Kakashi=Scarecrow
Age:29
Height: 181 cm
Weight: 67.5 kg

The Copy Ninja
Known for Copying of a 1000 Jutsu's
Naruto 12 page naruto_v02_ch012_094 | One Manga
Son of Kohoha's own White Fang- Hatake Saukmo (his Father)

Kakashi was trained under the one known to become the 4th Hokage- Namikaze Minato
who was named Konoha's Yellow Flash. He in trurn was trained by one of the Legendary Sannin- Jariya. Who he himself was trained by Sarutobi, the 3rd Hokage!!! So a lineage of pupils to grow and surpass their formers and inherite the Will of Fire!!! Kakashi Believed in the Mission First and foremost. And Any Ninja who didn't follow the rules and regulations was trash.Naruto Central - #1 Naruto Anime and Manga fansite! -
Upon Kakashi graduating to a jounin, Minato gave to Kakashi a special Kunai for which Minato gained his name. Naruto Central - #1 Naruto Anime and Manga fansite! -
During Team Kakashi's First Mission as a Jounin Kakashi Exibited his Own technique he would later teach to Sasuke. The Chidori!!! Naruto Central - #1 Naruto Anime and Manga fansite! -
Up until this point Kakashi's aim was always to complete the mission as first priority, nothing else mattered. Later words came that forever changed this ideal. Naruto Central - #1 Naruto Anime and Manga fansite! -. This changed everything for Kakashi. While Obito followed his heart Kakashi soon found his but lost his left eye in the process.After Kakashi being put out of the fight for a moment Obito realised his true feelings and purpose, upon that He activated his eyes.Only later to lose his life but inreturn he bestowed upon Kakashi a gift, one most sacred to the Uchiha Clan- The Sharingan!!! Naruto Central - #1 Naruto Anime and Manga fansite! -.
This concludes the story of how Kakashi became what he his today. Though be it not all there is but just a brief synopsis.

Prepare yourself now!!!!

Originally Posted by Mystik

So I will now go onto my first attack which will be Shuriken kage bushin no jutsu 117-17. Note when Sarutobi used this jutsu on oro he had to summon Worldly Ressurection also known as Edo Tensei to block this attack 117-18. While Sarutobi used this jutsu he was also able to stop Oro from summoning up the fourth hokage. Ok I think I will stop for now.

I'm Supposing the only attack you used here was the Shuriken Kage Bushin as I see no other used. As for that having the Sharingan allows Kakashi to effeciently and effectivly dodge these as he can see each and everyone and their speed. But since just dodging would be boring as hell lets go with something a bit more interesting While Sarutobi is bombarding Kakashi with Kunai he wouldn't notice as Kakashi uses Doton no Jutsu - Earth Release Technique Naruto 260 page 04 | One Manga and hiding under the ground, Kakashi can easily make his way to Sarutobi and pop out of the ground and giving a nice smooth upper cut . Naruto 260 page 05 | One Manga Seeing as Sarutobi doesn't have the Sharingan he wouldn't be able to see nor sense this coming.

The Next move would be to use Daibakufu no Jutsu (Water Release: Great Waterfall Technique) Naruto 260 page 10-11 | One Manga
This would wash Sarutobi away and possibly knock him unconscious. The area would now be void of many trees. But lets not stop there. Using Kakashi's speed he could easily get to Sarutbi and in the time and speed he got there plung a nice Chidori right through Sarutobi.Naruto Central - #1 Naruto Anime and Manga fansite! -.

This concludes my opening and counter. Hope ya enjoyed!!!!!!

Originally Posted by Karin

Hatake Kakashi
Name Meaning: Hatake=Dry field, Kakashi=Scarecrow
Age:29
Height: 181 cm
Weight: 67.5 kg

All this proves is that Sarutobi is smarter and wiser and most experienced. You only get better with age. >.<

The Copy Ninja
Known for Copying of a 1000 Jutsu's
Naruto 12 page naruto_v02_ch012_094 | One Manga
Son of Kohoha's own White Fang- Hatake Saukmo (his Father)

And Sarutobi was the god of shinobi and used every jutsu that was used in the leaf village. As I stated with my opening and the manga page I posted, but I can repost it for you 120-14. And he copied them. Never stated that he used them. Ok now that’s done moving on.

Kakashi was trained under the one known to become the 4th Hokage- Namikaze Minato
who was named Konoha's Yellow Flash.

Who was also Sarutobi’s second choice cause his favorite pupil was who he wanted who was oro until he caught him doing experiments on people which hurt Sarutobi. He was also favored by Sarutobi that even back then Sarutobi couldn’t kill him. 121-09 , 121-10 , 121-13 , and the last page where Sarutobi stated that actually oro was his choice in becoming Hokage 122-07. So Minato only became Hokage because Oro disappointed and saddened Sarutobi.

He in trurn was trained by one of the Legendary Sannin- Jariya. Who he himself was trained by Sarutobi, the 3rd Hokage!!! So a lineage of pupils to grow and surpass their formers and inherite the Will of Fire!!!

Jiraiya wasn’t even a choice. Actually Jiraiya was told by Sarutobi to be more like Oro. Surpass their formers... I wouldn’t say Jiraiya surpassed Sarutobi at all. He couldn’t even fully master the sage arts must less pass Sarutobi.

Kakashi Believed in the Mission First and foremost. And Any Ninja who didn't follow the rules and regulations was trash.Naruto Central - #1 Naruto Anime and Manga fansite! -

Not really a good attitude for a ninja to have if you ask me. Definitely not the attitude needed to be Hokage either. Sarutobi was much different. He was kind and sweet with a nice heart. He loved the village and everyone in it. They were apart of him and he was apart of them. They loved him as well. Sarutobi also would fight and die for his village and the people in it and so he did.

Upon Kakashi graduating to a jounin, Minato gave to Kakashi a special Kunai for which Minato gained his name. Naruto Central - #1 Naruto Anime and Manga fansite! -
During Team Kakashi's First Mission as a Jounin Kakashi Exibited his Own technique he would later teach to Sasuke. The Chidori!!! Naruto Central - #1 Naruto Anime and Manga fansite! -
Up until this point Kakashi's aim was always to complete the mission as first priority, nothing else mattered. Later words came that forever changed this ideal. Naruto Central - #1 Naruto Anime and Manga fansite! -. This changed everything for Kakashi. While Obito followed his heart Kakashi soon found his but lost his left eye in the process.After Kakashi being put out of the fight for a moment Obito realised his true feelings and purpose, upon that He activated his eyes.Only later to lose his life but inreturn he bestowed upon Kakashi a gift, one most sacred to the Uchiha Clan- The Sharingan!!! Naruto Central - #1 Naruto Anime and Manga fansite! -.
This concludes the story of how Kakashi became what he his today. Though be it not all there is but just a brief synopsis.

All ive seen really here is that Obito already had his heart and cared and end the end him not loosing himself he ended up activating his sharingan. Because he cared and wanted to protect his comrades as to where Kakashi only cared about the mission. It shouldn’t of taken Obito’s death and so on for Kakashi to realize that.

Prepare yourself now!!!!

Oh trust me I am very prepaired bring it woman

I'm Supposing the only attack you used here was the Shuriken Kage Bushin as I see no other used. As for that having the Sharingan allows Kakashi to effeciently and effectivly dodge these as he can see each and everyone and their speed.

That’s saying if kakashi could use his 1 sharingan to dodge it. The sharingan is a bloodline trait and kakashi isn’t a uchiha so his eye isn’t going to work as well as if he was a Uchiha. Even Itachi stated that 142-13 , 142-15 so his sharingan probably couldn’t of dodged this attack like if it was a Uchiha and another bloodline who can dodge with their eyes the Hyuga’s with their Byakugan.

But since just dodging would be boring as hell

Refer to above statement I made..

lets go with something a bit more interesting While Sarutobi is bombarding Kakashi with Kunai he wouldn't notice as Kakashi uses Doton no Jutsu - Earth Release Technique Naruto 260 page 04 | One Manga and hiding under the ground, Kaakashi can easily make his way to Sarutobi and pop out of the ground and giving a nice smooth upper cut Naruto 260 page 05 | One Manga. Seeing as Sarutobi doesn't have the Sharingan he wouldn't be able to see nor sense this coming.

First off he isn’t bombarding Kakashi with Kunai’s he is bombarding him with Shuriken’s. Shuriken’s are small ninja stars and not nearly enough to block Sarutobi’s Vision one bit as shown here while he used it against Oro he could still see Oro very clearly 117-17 and notice how Sarutobi didn’t take his eye’s off of Oro for an instant. To also prove his vision isn’t blocked he was able to see the wood things with the hokages in them and was even able to stop the third one from coming up when Oro used edo Tensei 117-18 see he still has his eyes focused on Oro and 117-19 where he was able to stop the third one. So no it wouldn’t block his vision and he would definitely see Kakashi going underground. So your moves below this statement are null and void since they wont be happening. So with that said lets get this ball on the road with Kage bunshin no jutsu 122-11. Kakashi can’t come up behind Sarutobi if he cant find the right Sarutobi. When Kakashi finally does surface not knowing if he has the real Sarutobi which he doesn’t cause Sarutobi knows Kakashi and would know not to stand in the same spot. With that after Kakashi comes out of the ground I summon Enma The Monkey King 120-8. Enma changes into his Enma Kongou-Nyo form 120-10 which is a diamond hard staff that can extend even from a distance to reach his opponent and knock kakashi to his feet in which he can still change back partially to his monkey form so he can view what he is hitting or extend an arm to hit Kakashi 120-12. While fighting with Kakashi he places he places exsplosive tags on him 120-14 as he did on Shodaime and Nidaime which wasn’t noticed till it was to late 120-15. Noticed how it blew their leg and hands completely off. If they were living beings they would have been dead. Only reason it didn’t work on them is because well they were dead. Kakashi being alive he wouldn’t survive that at all. Yes that is Sarutobi holding that big huge heavy staff. So it also shows he is no weakling.

The Next move would be to use Daibakufu no Jutsu (Water Release: Great Waterfall Technique) Naruto 260 page 10-11 | One Manga
This would wash Sarutobi away and possibly knock him unconscious. The area would now be void of many trees. But lets not stop there. Using Kakashi's speed he could easily get to Sarutbi and in the time and speed he got there plung a nice Chidori right through Sarutobi.Naruto Central - #1 Naruto Anime and Manga fansite! -.

I think I approved above why these two attacks wouldn’t work.

This concludes my opening and counter. Hope ya enjoyed!!!!!!

I sure did and I hope you enjoyed mine. Your up. >.<

[Karin]

Originally Posted by Mystik

All this proves is that Sarutobi is smarter and wiser and most experienced. You only get better with age. >.<

No it proves that Kakashi is more versitile and younger. As seen here, Sarutobi's old age is catching up with him.Naruto 120 | Read naruto chapter 120 manga online at Manga Share
Also if you look here he himself ef hand admits that he's not as good as he used to be Naruto 120 | Read naruto chapter 120 manga online at Manga Share

Originally Posted by Mystik

And Sarutobi was the god of shinobi and used every jutsu that was used in the leaf village. As I stated with my opening and the manga page I posted, but I can repost it for you 120-14. And he copied them. Never stated that he used them. Ok now that’s done moving on.

And if you look at the managa pages I posted above you'll see that his age also limits how much of those jutsu and chakra he is able to use. Getting old has its draw back aye!

Originally Posted by Mystik

Who was also Sarutobi’s second choice cause his favorite pupil was who he wanted who was oro until he caught him doing experiments on people which hurt Sarutobi. He was also favored by Sarutobi that even back then Sarutobi couldn’t kill him. 121-09 , 121-10 , 121-13 , and the last page where Sarutobi stated that actually oro was his choice in becoming Hokage 122-07. So Minato only became Hokage because Oro disappointed and saddened Sarutobi.

That shows that Sarutobi had poor judgement in his first choice and and poor ability to lead his students. Yes he did a good job with Jariya and Tsunade but he should have kept a better eye on Oro. That was Sarutobi;s downfall. He gave a blind eye to Oro's misdeeds and when the chance arouse to take him out he didn't. He let his weakness for his pupil overide the safety of the Village and enevitably sealed his fate. As stated here:Naruto 122 | Read naruto chapter 122 manga online at Manga Share

Originally Posted by Mystik

Jiraiya wasn’t even a choice. Actually Jiraiya was told by Sarutobi to be more like Oro. Surpass their formers... I wouldn’t say Jiraiya surpassed Sarutobi at all. He couldn’t even fully master the sage arts must less pass Sarutobi.

Hrm but lets see, who trained the 4th Hokage. Oh that was Jariya wasn't it. And later when the 3rd died wasn't it Jariya who was offered the position, yes yes I think it was. Oh and wait dont let me forget even though he never fully mastered Sage arts he was still Proclaimed A Sannin which as we have seen was quite a feat in itself. But I won't blab on about how much Jariya held more compasion and conviction for his pupils, its not my way. Moving on....

Originally Posted by Mystik

Not really a good attitude for a ninja to have if you ask me. Definitely not the attitude needed to be Hokage either. Sarutobi was much different. He was kind and sweet with a nice heart. He loved the village and everyone in it. They were apart of him and he was apart of them. They loved him as well. Sarutobi also would fight and die for his village and the people in it and so he did.

Right....and if you would have read down further you would have noticed that all that changed. The original reason for Kakashi believing that way was because of his father and how the village shunned him for being compasionate to his team mates and instead of fullfilling his mission he saved their lives.Here's the pages that the words Obito said struck a cord in Kakashi and changed him Naruto 241 | Read naruto chapter 241 manga online at Manga Share
Naruto 241 | Read naruto chapter 241 manga online at Manga Share
And here is where you will find what truly happened with Kakashi's father and why Kakashi believed this way for so long. Naruto 240 | Read naruto chapter 240 manga online at Manga Share
Naruto 240 | Read naruto chapter 240 manga online at Manga Share
Naruto 240 | Read naruto chapter 240 manga online at Manga Share
I do not claim his idealogy to be perfect but he saw the error of his ways and now is better because of it. He then inherited the 4th's Motto and belief of never leaving a comrade behind. That in itself is a noble act. Everyone in the village Looks up to Kakashi as they once did his father.

Originally Posted by Mystik

All ive seen really here is that Obito already had his heart and cared and end the end him not loosing himself he ended up activating his sharingan. Because he cared and wanted to protect his comrades as to where Kakashi only cared about the mission. It shouldn’t of taken Obito’s death and so on for Kakashi to realize that.

Read the manga pages I posted above and in my original post. It states Kakashi figured this out before Obito's death. The pages I posted here were to show how Kakashi gained the Sharingan and his Title "Copy Ninja". Obito's death only reinforced these ideals.

Originally Posted by Mystik

Oh trust me I am very prepaired bring it woman

Seems you should have read more up on Kakashi then Sarutobi ^.^

[Karin]

Originally Posted by Mystik

That’s saying if kakashi could use his 1 sharingan to dodge it. The sharingan is a bloodline trait and kakashi isn’t a uchiha so his eye isn’t going to work as well as if he was a Uchiha. Even Itachi stated that 142-13 , 142-15 so his sharingan probably couldn’t of dodged this attack like if it was a Uchiha and another bloodline who can dodge with their eyes the Hyuga’s with their Byakugan.

He may not have the bloodline trait but he still has the speed and accuracy without it as this shows. Naruto 240 page 04 | One Manga
He was able to speed past traps of explosions and weapons while using his chidori. Besides if you don't remember the main factor in using chidori is having the speed it needs to work properly as Kakashi and Gai explain here:Naruto 113 page 09 | One Manga Naruto 113 page 14 | One Manga Naruto 113 page 15-16 | One Manga This proves that Kakashi has the speed and agility to get past those Shuriken with ease.

Originally Posted by Mystik

Refer to above statement I made..

GRAWR!!!!! Moving on!!!

Originally Posted by Mystik

First off he isn’t bombarding Kakashi with Kunai’s he is bombarding him with Shuriken’s. Shuriken’s are small ninja stars and not nearly enough to block Sarutobi’s Vision one bit as shown here while he used it against Oro he could still see Oro very clearly 117-17 and notice how Sarutobi didn’t take his eye’s off of Oro for an instant. To also prove his vision isn’t blocked he was able to see the wood things with the hokages in them and was even able to stop the third one from coming up when Oro used edo Tensei 117-18 see he still has his eyes focused on Oro and 117-19 where he was able to stop the third one. So no it wouldn’t block his vision and he would definitely see Kakashi going underground. So your moves below this statement are null and void since they wont be happening. So with that said lets get this ball on the road with Kage bunshin no jutsu 122-11. Kakashi can’t come up behind Sarutobi if he cant find the right Sarutobi. When Kakashi finally does surface not knowing if he has the real Sarutobi which he doesn’t cause Sarutobi knows Kakashi and would know not to stand in the same spot. With that after Kakashi comes out of the ground I summon Enma The Monkey King 120-8. Enma changes into his Enma Kongou-Nyo form 120-10 which is a diamond hard staff that can extend even from a distance to reach his opponent and knock kakashi to his feet in which he can still change back partially to his monkey form so he can view what he is hitting or extend an arm to hit Kakashi 120-12. While fighting with Kakashi he places he places exsplosive tags on him 120-14 as he did on Shodaime and Nidaime which wasn’t noticed till it was to late 120-15. Noticed how it blew their leg and hands completely off. If they were living beings they would have been dead. Only reason it didn’t work on them is because well they were dead. Kakashi being alive he wouldn’t survive that at all. Yes that is Sarutobi holding that big huge heavy staff. So it also shows he is no weakling.

Awwwww all that work and for what....nothing thats what. See you forget that Kakashi is never one to go barging straight in. He prefers to make a bit of a plan on the spot and carry it out. So its good that you've wasted all that energy on a measly like Kage Bushin. Yes I said it. Kakashi pulled the same trick on Itachi as seen here: Naruto 260 page 09 | One Manga
So now that the real Kakashi has unvailed his real self. Let the fun begin!!!!

Lets get rid of those nuissance of clones of yours with a nice Suikoudan no Jutsu - Water Shark Projectile Techniquehttp://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/141/17/
And if you try using that wonderful Enma Sitck of yours here's my counter:Ninpou Suiton Suijnheki Naruto 142 page 08 | One Manga Which would cause that nice pretty stick of yours to stop. And while the splash down of the waterfall comes in Kakashi quickly makes a water clone for your viewing pleasure.Naruto 142 page 09 | One Manga Naruto 142 page 11 | One Manga Now that your seeing 2 which one is the real one? Well lets just leave that to your confusion while both Kakshi's plant a nice pretty chidori through the water electricuting you and Enma.

I think I'll leave it there for now!!!

Originally Posted by Mystik

I think I approved above why these two attacks wouldn’t work.

Don't you mean "proved", *hides* but no you didn't especially with my recent info so you may want to go back to this unless of course you don't see fit which would be your lose but hey no big deal right.

Originally Posted by Mystik

I sure did and I hope you enjoyed mine. Your up. >.<

It was interesting to say the least, lets continue shall we!?!

Well Seems we have started the double posting now. hehehe I see Text Walls coming XD